WE’RE GOING TO discuss collectibles at the moment, however not the type you rating at a flea market or from an internet public sale. We’re going to speak about collectible timber. Sure, timber. A brand new ebook by Amy Stewart known as “The Tree Collectors” introduces us to 50 folks whose lives have been remodeled by what she calls their “arboreal obsessions.”
Amy, who’s based mostly in Portland, Ore., is a “New York Occasions” bestselling creator whose earlier nonfiction books in regards to the pure world additionally embrace “The Drunken Botanist,” and “Depraved Vegetation.” Her latest, “The Tree Collectors: Tales of Arboreal Obsession” (affiliate hyperlinks), is out this month, and he or she joined me to speak in regards to the folks and timber she met within the means of writing it.
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‘the tree collectors,’ with amy stewart
Margaret Roach: I’ve gardener mates out your method in Portland, and I’ve been listening to talks of a latest stretch of 100-degree days. I hope you’re O.Ok.
Amy Stewart: I do know. Yeah, we’re not used to it in Portland.
Margaret: No, insanity, insanity, insanity. Congratulations on the brand new ebook; you’ve been busy, I can see.
I simply wished to ask: It’s not a subject I’ve ever actually considered. I do know Gesneriad collectors, and orchid collectors, and Aroid collectors, and even like heirloom-tomato collectors, however tree collectors—I don’t know any actually, until we’re speaking about arboreta, or a nursery that makes a speciality of a specific type of timber. How did this come into your head? How did this occur?
Amy: Effectively, I used to be the identical method. It had by no means occurred to me that individuals collected timber. However I used to be at an occasion of some type about 10 years in the past, and a man got here as much as me and informed me that he was a tree collector [laughter]. I mentioned, “Effectively, O.Ok. Timber are actually massive and exhausting to maneuver, in order that’s a bizarre factor to gather. What do you imply? How does that even work?” In his case, he informed me that he had a giant plot of land, and he planted his timber in rows, like books on a bookshelf. His aim was simply to gather as many various timber as he may that grew in his a part of the world, in Lancaster County, Pa.
I assumed that was very attention-grabbing, and I bear in mind coming residence and mentioning it to my husband, who’s a rare-book seller. So there’s loads of discuss collectors and gathering in our home, and he was fascinated with it as effectively. Then, over time, often another person would inform me that they have been a tree collector, and I at all times thought it might be an attention-grabbing thought for a ebook, however I couldn’t fairly get my head round it. As soon as I’d met three or 4 of them, I simply thought, “Oh, I’ve to do that.”
Margaret: Attention-grabbing. The Arnold Arboretum, they’re tree collectors [laughter], or MrMaple, the nursery in North Carolina, two brothers with all their Japanese maples, a whole bunch and a whole bunch of various varieties, they’re tree collectors, however I consider that as a unique kind of factor. The folks in your ebook are principally not that, precisely. As you say, between the house constraints, you may’t put it on a bric-a-brac shelf like your china dolls [laughter]. You possibly can’t put it in a ebook like your stamp assortment. It’s not precisely prompt gratification both, is it?
Amy: Effectively, that’s true. There may be this different aspect of time with a tree assortment that different objects you may accumulate don’t have, which is that it grows and adjustments over time.
I feel undoubtedly on the excessive finish… effectively truly, that is actually true of every kind of gathering. There’s a excessive finish, after which there’s how on a regular basis folks such as you and me may do one thing. I’ve a tiny little ebook assortment, and it’s all of the books that Annie Proulx wrote about gardening and homesteading earlier than she grew to become the Annie Proulx we all know and love. It’s a group of 10 books [laughter]. That’s my ebook assortment. You possibly can accumulate one thing and have it’s actually small.
Within the case of tree collectors, there are individuals who clearly have massive tracts of land, they usually should buy pretty mature specimens of timber, which price much more cash. They will have a grand property crammed with no matter they accumulate. If you happen to’re a tree collector, you may be into gathering oaks, or maples, or conifers, or palm timber. However there’s loads of methods to gather on a a lot smaller scale, and really, that was extra attention-grabbing to me. What in regards to the people who find themselves tree collectors, however they only dwell in an everyday suburban home with a normal-sized yard, or possibly they even dwell in an condominium? What may gathering seem like in these conditions?
Margaret: There’s these 50 tree collectors that you just’ve profiled. They’re from all around the world, Greenland and Poland, and Singapore, India, Brazil, Ethiopia. I may go on and on. The ebook’s introduction begins with the query that, after all, I wish to now ask you, since you’ve met and interviewed all these tree collectors: “What possesses somebody to own a tree?” That’s how you start the ebook.
Amy: Effectively, it’s attention-grabbing. Quite a lot of these of us I acknowledged instantly as true collectors. If you happen to’re somebody who’s in your coronary heart a collector, you’ve most likely collected different issues over the course of your life earlier than you bought into timber. Possibly you have been a stamp collector, otherwise you collected baseball playing cards. You’re somebody who has that type of acquisitive nature, like, “I should have one.” After which, when you understand that there’s a bunch of them in that class, there’s this urge to be completist about it, and to say, “I would like considered one of each one, and I gained’t be happy till I fill within the holes, and I’ve the whole set.”
I perceive that mindset, and undoubtedly, there are tree collectors who’re like that. There’s a girl within the ebook who collects pine cones, and he or she determined that she would accumulate considered one of each species of pine on the planet, and he or she hasn’t been in a position to end it. It’s exhausting to do, however there’s one thing in regards to the quest, and having that checklist in your head of, these are those I’m actually after, that’s kind of pleasant. I feel that’s a part of what drives tree collectors, however there are undoubtedly people who find themselves planting timber for extra, I might say deeply private causes, and actually heartfelt causes.
Margaret: Yeah, and I wish to discuss a few of people who struck me. You divided the ebook in classes, sections based on what you noticed as every particular person’s main motivation for gathering. There’s artists, and curators, and educators, and healers, and ecologists and so forth. Within the healer chapter, one factor is, as I feel you level out within the ebook, talking of therapeutic and timber, forest bathing is a factor. It’s not only a factor proper now. It’s an actual factor. Connecting with timber is highly effective, isn’t it?
Amy: It’s, yeah, completely. I stroll via the forest on daily basis right here in Portland, for a couple of minutes. It’s, after all, an extremely stress-free and soothing place to be. It makes us really feel higher. I feel it additionally reminds us of, once more, there’s this high quality of time with timber. Each morning I stroll previous this monumental Douglas fir, and I don’t know the way previous it’s, however I do know that it was right here many generations earlier than I used to be born, and that it’ll be right here lengthy after I’m gone. There’s one thing about that timelessness that jogs my memory that my troubles and my worries are actually transitory [laughter].
Margaret: Sure.
Amy: It’s that very same sense of awe that you just get once you lookup on the stars, and also you bear in mind in a really nice, reassuring method that you just’re type of insignificant within the grander scheme of issues.
Margaret: Sure, only a speck. In that healer part, there’s a girl, a memorable lady, not less than for me, in England, who collects Japanese maples [above, Marie Noelle Bouvet]. I feel you mentioned she has 4,000 of them now, or one thing. And she or he’s considered one of these folks that used to gather different issues, such as you have been simply saying. Inform us about why this was therapeutic for her. She has an attention-grabbing story.
Amy: I used to be so moved by this. She’s someone who began gathering Japanese maples. She simply began with one, that’s at all times the way it begins [laughter], and then you definitely’re like, “I didn’t understand there’s different kinds. Now I need two or three extra.” She went down that street, and was in a position to get sufficient land that she may actually begin rising out maples at scale. The attention-grabbing factor about maple timber is that they don’t develop true from seed. When you have a Japanese maple and it drops a seed on the bottom, and a brand new little tree sprouts from that, it’s going to look very completely different from its mother and father. You’ve the chance to presumably uncover, and even introduce to the world a brand new number of Japanese maple that nobody’s ever seen earlier than.
One of many issues she informed me is that she and her husband weren’t in a position to have youngsters, and he or she at all times felt this sense of loss that she by no means had a baby. She mentioned that the maple timber helped her type of fill that gap in her life, however then she additionally mentioned, about searching for a brand new selection that possibly comes out of her assortment, that she would love to have the ability to introduce and identify a brand new number of maple tree. She mentioned, “I haven’t been in a position to give a reputation to a baby. I wish to give a reputation to a tree.”
Margaret: So it helped her along with her grief, and gave her a forward-looking undertaking, the following era undertaking?
Amy: It did, and I’m glad you mentioned that, as a result of that’s one other actually profound factor that she mentioned. She mentioned that each one the opposite issues that she used to gather have been principally preserving her tied to the previous, however that once you accumulate timber, you’re desirous about the long run.
Margaret: Yeah, it’s a superb one. Within the ecologists part, I like the story of (and I’d butcher this identify) Miyawaki forest plantings, the tiny forests that you just say an area the scale of a number of parking areas, or ideally, a tennis courtroom in measurement, could be a complete forest, and that there’s a person in India who, I feel he consults with folks elsewhere world wide, and makes these tiny forests. That was simply extremely lovely as a thought.
Amy: Yeah, I like the concept of it, and I additionally love the ecological precept at work. I talked to this man, Shubendu Sharma [above], who in India was skilled as an engineer, and he was working at a Toyota plant in Bangalore. He informed me that his duty as an engineer was to have a look at their provide chain, and what they have been imagined to do was to hint each materials that went into a brand new automobile all the way in which again via all of the suppliers, again to its authentic supply. Typically, that authentic supply was one thing that initially got here out of nature, such as you may assume rubber timber and tires possibly for instance. And what he realized is, it begins with a pure supply, and it will get put via the availability chain and made right into a automobile that’s in the end destined for a landfill. That’s all that may ever occur. It’ll solely ever go to a landfill.
Margaret: That’s a perky thought, huh, that cycle?
Amy: It’s a perky thought. He realized what a wasteful course of that was, and that finally, sometime, we’ll run out of pure merchandise to place into landfills. We’ll be out. That’s the one path it will probably go. So at some point, this man got here to talk at his plant about constructing tiny forests, and this concept comes from Miyawaki, in Japan, and his thought was that you should use his explicit technique of intensive cultivation to plant a really dense forest that can develop very, in a short time, and fill even a extremely small house. This isn’t reforestation, that is what he calls afforestation, that means to place a forest in a spot that it wasn’t earlier than, with the concept being that we are able to appeal to habitat, we are able to clear the air, assist purify water. There’s 1,000,000 causes to do that.
However the way in which it really works, and what Shubendu Sharma has finished as an engineer is to systematize it. He’s now made that his life. He now not works at Toyota, and what he does are these tiny forests. It entails very deep cultivation of the soil, abnormally deep cultivation, possibly a number of ft deep, so that you’re most likely utilizing a backhoe for this. After which, loads of natural materials so as to add porosity to the soil, as a result of principally, you’re wanting extraordinarily accelerated root progress. You add loads of helpful microorganisms to the soil, after which, you plant in all 4 or 5 layers of a forest abruptly, very carefully collectively, so the understory vegetation, the small shrubs, the marginally taller timber that dwell below the cover and the timber that can in the end get so tall that they’ll develop into the cover of the forest, and doubtless crowd out loads of what was as soon as rising beneath it.
Margaret: Wow.
Amy: The concept with that is that you must weed it and water it for the primary few years, however then, it’s best to have the ability to stroll away, and let it do what it’s going to do. After all, you wish to use native species which might be effectively suited to the realm, however folks do that of their backyards [laughter]. I talked to Shubendu Sharma by way of Zoom, and he walked out into his yard along with his laptop computer, and confirmed me his tiny forest.
It’s impenetrable. It’s not meant to be a leisure house for people. It’s meant to be a forest that’s not for us, however that’s for wildlife. These go into vacant tons and metropolis parks, and company campuses and folks’s backyards all around the world.
Margaret: It jogged my memory of this concept known as pocket forests that Basil Camu, the co-founder of this tree-care firm, truly, in Raleigh, N.C., Leaf & Limb. He promotes this pocket forest thought, and he has a nonprofit inside it that grows loads of saplings of native timber, and distributes them without spending a dime to completely different conservation tasks and group tasks across the space, and teaches folks to plant, such as you’re saying, very intensively, very shut collectively, and make these pocket forests. It’s simply great. It’s transformational each for the folks and for the house, to become involved with these child timber.
Amy: Positive.
Margaret: One other one within the ecologists part was from Greenland, and foolish me, I didn’t actually know that timber don’t actually traditionally develop there. It’s not a spot of forests, it’s not a rustic of forests, and that’s altering together with the local weather, I assume. The collector you profiled is exploring possibly which timber could have an opportunity within the Greenland of the long run. Is {that a} good tough abstract of what he’s doing? Inform us about him.
Amy: Yeah, precisely. Effectively, you and me each, it didn’t happen to me that there weren’t timber in Greenland. A part of it’s that it’s above the tree line, there’s an Arctic tree line above which timber don’t develop, but in addition, as a result of even in southern Greenland, the place there may very well be timber and possibly as soon as have been timber, there’s now cattle grazing, and sheep. Timber don’t stand an opportunity. That is what you may see in a spot just like the British Isles. You see these type of treeless areas which might be given over to sheep farming and stuff like that.
A part of it’s that, however there actually was by no means simply a lot curiosity in making an attempt to determine if timber would develop. After all, with a warming local weather, loads of tree species are shifting in that path, and even birds are serving to to move tree seeds.
Margaret: They’re good tree planters.
Amy: Sure, proper. Nature is dealing with a few of that. There’s this undertaking in Greenland to create a botanical backyard, though what’s attention-grabbing is, everybody concerned on this undertaking says, “We don’t don’t know why we’re doing this. It will likely be for the following era to determine the aim of this. What we wish to do is work out what timber even develop right here, and to get them established.” As a result of to review the introduction of timber right into a treeless house, you simply must let just a few generations go by. That, once more, is that this thought, we maintain coming again to this concept of time, and this notion that we’re doing this for the following era is, I feel, such a strong one which timber remind us of.
They’re searching for timber all world wide that develop near that Arctic tree line, like Siberian larch , issues like that, to simply see what may even make it right here. After which, the following era will determine, do we would like this for timber manufacturing? Do we would like it for leisure makes use of, good surroundings, planting timber in folks’s backyards? Think about residing in a spot the place you by no means see a tree. It will simply be good to see some timber. Any variety of the reason why it’d proceed, however will probably be the work of the following era to determine all that out.
Margaret: He’s making an attempt to assist develop a palette that not less than may very well be thought of for fill-in-the-blank goal? [Above, Kenneth Hoegh.]
Amy: Precisely.
Margaret: He’s doing the take a look at, the R&D testing.
Amy: The R&D, proper.
Margaret: Attention-grabbing. I used to be mentioning earlier, as have been you, the house constraints of getting a tree assortment, and also you talked about the pine cone collector. Not all of the profiled collectors, we must always simply say, not simply the pine cone particular person, however others, not all of them have full-sized timber. There’s a bonsai one who has all these potted bonsai, and there’s an individual who collects, I feel leaves. There’s one with wooden, completely different sorts of wooden. It’s actually an attention-grabbing combine of individuals. There’s one chapter, or part of artists, and one that actually stood out to me was this conceptual artist, I feel it’s, you say Sam Van-
Amy: Sam Van Aken [below], yeah.
Margaret: Along with his Tree of 40 Fruit. He had this quote, it mentioned, “‘I assumed grafting was the proper metaphor for modern existence,” he informed you. He mentioned, “In so some ways, I really feel like our lives are all so piecemeal and hybridized and patched collectively.” So he’s grafting 40 fruits onto one type of tree?
Amy: Proper. If you concentrate on it, yeah, if fruit timber are your factor, you solely want one tree to have a tree assortment [laughter]. The attention-grabbing factor about that, he’s an artist, and he does these as artwork tasks. There are additionally drawings that accompany it. It’s an entire factor. It’s an entire undertaking that he does. The factor about grafting many various sorts of fruit onto one tree—now these are all stone fruit, so it might be plums and cherries and stuff like that—is that you just don’t exit simply on at some point and graft 40 completely different fruits onto a tree.
Margaret: No.
Amy: It’s one thing that you must do over time. Initially, the tree must be in precisely the suitable season, and the suitable stage of its progress for the graft to take maintain. One other factor is that not each graft goes to take effectively to its host tree. It has to make use of these interstock. There’s sure fruit timber which might be good bridges between two others.
Margaret: Sure.
Amy: Typically he’ll must go and graft on that interstock after which wait a yr or two, after which graft on the fruit tree he wished that may now be accepted into the host tree, as a result of there’s somewhat bridge there that works for it. It is a course of that really takes a few years for one tree. And right here once more, these are timber that you could find, a few of them are on the grounds of museums or universities, one thing like a zoo, or a science museum, or one thing like which may have considered one of his timber. He has truly finished an entire bunch of them on Roosevelt Island in New York Metropolis.
Margaret: Oh?
Amy: Yeah. The cool factor about it, to begin with, they’re lovely, as a result of I need you to attempt to think about—all of us love the way in which cherry blossoms look within the spring, however think about a tree that has many barely completely different colours of blossoms, and the bloom cycle is occurring over an extended time period, as a result of it’s a bunch of various sorts of-
Margaret: Wow.
Amy: Precisely. Additionally, the fruit you get can come over an extended season. You can begin choosing fruit in June and nonetheless be getting fruit in September. It’s not like, “My tree is fruiting, and I’m dumping baggage of plums on everyone’s entrance door step, as a result of all of them must be harvested in the identical week.” You’re getting just a few handfuls of fruit per week all summer time lengthy, which is what most of us can deal with in our family.
Margaret: It looks as if within the tales, these profiles of the 50 folks, that every one skilled a type of change, a private transformation from this relationship with this tree gathering. Possibly simply say somewhat bit about that, and likewise about what you hope the reader will get out of “assembly them,” and by studying the ebook, as a result of I feel that’s necessary, too, and probably transformational.
Amy: I feel the one method I can actually sum it up is to say {that a} life with timber is a life well-lived [laughter]. I used to be struck again and again by what number of of those folks had constructed stronger communities and stronger relationships with their mates and households via the timber. It occurs in so many various methods throughout this ebook that I couldn’t even start to summarize it, however I used to be simply struck again and again at what wealthy lives folks have, not simply with their timber, however with the folks of their lives due to the timber. That was simply extraordinary for me.
Margaret: Like we talked earlier about, one lady who it helped along with her grief, that was actually transformational in comparison with grieving on a regular basis about not having the ability to have the youngsters and so forth. It looks as if there are monumental potential adjustments from being so intimately concerned with these residing, long-lived issues, these timber. Any timber being collected over there in your backyard? [Laughter.]
Amy: Effectively, I dwell in an condominium, so there’s no timber being collected in my home. I’ll let you know, there’s an oak tree down the road that I actually love, and I missed my probability this yr, however I do intend to go accumulate some acorns and simply sprout them on my balcony and see what occurs, as a result of it’s only a tree I’m notably keen on. Any of us can try this.
Margaret: Yeah, they’re so lovely. Even squirrels can try this. They’re so lovely. Acorns are so extremely intricate, and exquisite.
Amy: They’re.
Margaret: I ought to have mentioned in the beginning that you just didn’t solely write the ebook, you additionally illustrated it. I don’t know the way you figured that out, however you illustrated it, so congratulations on that as effectively. And once more, congratulations. Once more, I assumed, “Tree collectors, what, huh?” The portraits of the folks, they’re very compelling, and each is distinct. It’s not the identical story in every case, and it’s fascinating. Thanks. Thanks so much.
Amy: Effectively, thanks. Thanks for having me.
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